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Blurry Creatures EP 262 — The Sons of God (Timothy Alberino & Dr. Joel Muddamalle)

Show
Blurry Creatures · EP: 262 The Sons of God with Timothy Alberino & Dr. Joel Muddamalle
Guests
Timothy Alberino; Dr. Joel Muddamalle
Hosts
Nate and Luke (first names as heard on air)
Published
August 27, 2024
Runtime
1:43:01
Episode
Listen at the source
Rooms
Genesis 6 · Watchers · Nephilim

Field note

Recorded at a Blurry Creatures conference, this session pairs Tim Alberino’s narrative reading of 1 Enoch with Dr. Joel Muddamalle’s word-by-word case for the angelic reading of Genesis 6. Alberino opens with the Book of Enoch, which he treats as the fullest account of what he calls the Genesis 6 affair, and he goes as far as saying the writer of Genesis was “copying and pasting” from it. Muddamalle moves more slowly. He points to the Septuagint’s rendering of “sons of God” as angels, to the phrase’s use for heavenly beings in Job, and to Second Temple texts where “unclean spirits” are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. That last link runs from Genesis 6 to the exorcisms in the Gospels, which makes it one of the larger claims in the Library. The two men also disagree about what the women went through. Muddamalle calls it sex trafficking. Alberino calls them willing partners. Listen for where each says he is speculating. Both do. EP 302 is a later release of the same session; the two entries feature different passages.

Key claims

  1. Tim Alberino · 0:14:33 · Documented

    “In the Septuagint, it's rendered as angels.”

    He is referring to “sons of God” in Genesis 6. Editor’s check: Septuagint manuscripts differ on this verse, and some read “sons of God.”

  2. Tim Alberino · 0:13:10 · Speculative

    “the writer of Genesis, be it Moses or or someone else, was actually copying and pasting from the book of Enoch, so to speak.”

    He adds: “A couple of those verses are almost verbatim.”

  3. Dr. Joel Muddamalle · 0:33:33 · Interpretive

    “Outside of Genesis six, sons of God in the Old Testament. It's always some type of, cosmic being.”

    He points to Job’s sons of God and morning stars as the comparison.

  4. Dr. Joel Muddamalle · 0:29:35 · Documented

    “Unclean spirits were referred to as the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.”

    How Second Temple literature uses the phrase. He connects it to the unclean spirits Jesus meets.

  5. Dr. Joel Muddamalle · 0:36:09 · Interpretive

    “I actually think what you have is sex trafficking.”

    He describes it as fathers trading daughters for the knowledge the Watchers offered.

  6. Tim Alberino · 0:57:00 · Speculative

    “this is why I believe that it wasn't rape. I think that women were willing partners”

    Part of his case that the Watchers planned a legal claim to dominion through their hybrid sons.

Tim Alberino on the Watchers’ appearance

This is Tim Alberino’s claim, not Expedition Genesis’s view.

  • Tim Alberino · 0:57:53 · Speculative

    “blonde or golden blonde or in some cases strawberry blonde”

    About the Watchers.

  • Tim Alberino · 1:12:14 · Speculative

    “tall, young, blonde, handsome men”

    About the Watchers.

Scripture and texts named

Genesis 6:1–4. 1 Enoch 6:1–2, which Alberino says R. H. Charles aligned with Genesis 6:1–2. The Parables of 1 Enoch (the Son of Man). Book of Noah fragments. The Dead Sea Scrolls. The Septuagint. Job (sons of God, morning stars). An unclean spirit in the synagogue (“I think it's Luke four”). Daniel 4 (the Watchers’ decree against Nebuchadnezzar). Daniel 7 (the Son of Man). Deuteronomy 32:8–9. Leviticus (purity).

Where it disagrees

Muddamalle leaves room for “the reality of inhabitation” (0:34:59). In EP 57, Alberino rejects the idea that the Watchers inhabited men. Muddamalle’s link from unclean spirits to Nephilim matches Woodward (Confessionals 889), who builds a speculative account of those spirits taking bodies. Alberino calls the Sethite reading “complete nonsense.” Marzulli (Confessionals 881) rejects it on the grounds that it came late.

Quotes are verbatim from the episode audio. Timestamps mark the first word of each quote in the audio file we worked from, which includes inserted ads, so your player may differ by a few minutes. Runtime is the length of that file. Labels (Documented, Interpretive, Speculative) describe the kind of claim the speaker is making. They are not an Expedition Genesis endorsement.

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